What this page is asking
The author of this site set down a thesis to be tested: “The modern pulpit seems to attract more than its fair share of people with an elevated sense of self-importance, perhaps even pronounced narcissism.”
The evidence he brought was a set of remarks he had heard from modern pulpits over the years. They come from more than one preacher. They are not attributed to anyone, and no names are supplied or should be guessed. Most are paraphrased from memory; where he remembered the words exactly, they are marked as quoted.
He asked three questions, and the page answers each in turn. First, taken together, what do remarks like these reveal about how a preacher sees himself, his office and the people he serves? Second, how do they measure against the picture of the minister in Scripture and in the historic Church? Third, is there something about the modern pulpit (celebrity, personal platforms, founder-led churches with little outside accountability) that attracts or rewards self-importance?
He also set the scope. The page examines the pattern, not the person. It makes no clinical diagnosis from a list of remarks. The question is whether the remarks fit the scriptural pattern of ministry, and whether the modern setting makes such remarks more common.
Two pictures of the minister, labelled so they can be told apart
Two pictures of the preacher’s office are compared all the way through. They are given letters so that the page can refer to them briefly.
Picture S · held by this page
The ServantThe minister is a servant of Christ and of the people, entrusted with a message that is not his own. He is not the subject of the sermon. His gifts are received, not achieved. His successes are God’s, his failures are his own, and he is answerable to others for his teaching, his conduct and the money in his care.Picture P · under test
The PlatformThe minister is the centre of the ministry. His story, his gifts, his standing and his direct line to God are part of what is preached. His success is evidence of his anointing, other ministries are measured against his, and the reputation of the ministry is his own reputation, to be defended.Nobody, so far as the author knows, teaches Picture P as a doctrine. It is a picture that remarks can imply without anyone setting out to teach it. That is why the page weighs remarks, not doctrinal statements.
What both pictures agree on
The thesis under test
That the remarks, taken together, make the preacher the subject rather than Christ (Mark 10:42–45; 2 Corinthians 4:5; 1 Peter 5:2–3). That their boasting runs the opposite way to Paul’s, who boasts of weakness and only under protest (2 Corinthians 11–12; 1 Corinthians 1:31; 3:5–7), and counts pedigree loss (Philippians 3:4–8). That their contempt for other believers is the Pharisee’s pattern (Luke 18:9–14) and Diotrephes’s (3 John 9–10), against Romans 14:4, Philippians 1:15–18, Mark 9:38–40 and Galatians 6:1. That mocking songs of God’s comfort mocks the way God speaks of himself (Isaiah 66:13; 40:11). That “God told me” about another man’s calling claims divine authority for a private verdict (Jeremiah 23:16, 21; Deuteronomy 18:21–22). That denying a loss to protect the ministry’s image runs against Proverbs 28:13 and 2 Corinthians 8:20–21. That Scripture treats pride in a minister as disqualifying (1 Timothy 3:6; Titus 1:7; James 3:1). And that the historic Church saw the temptation and built checks against it, which the modern setting often removes.
The scope of this page, stated narrowly
This page asks whether a pattern of remarks fits the scriptural pattern of ministry, and whether the modern setting makes such remarks more common. It does not diagnose anyone. It does not say who made the remarks, and nothing on it should be used to guess. It does not claim to measure how common vanity is among preachers compared with anyone else, and Part XII says why it cannot. It does not judge any preacher’s standing before God (Romans 14:4). Earlier dossiers on announced humility (35), personal verdicts from the pulpit (37), prophecy (03), Diotrephes and spiritual coercion (06), the giver’s responsibility (08), church boards (43) and the self as subject (50) are linked, not repeated.
What the page concludes, stated up front
- Taken one at a time, nearly every remark makes the preacher the subject. Two are mixed. None, as remembered, points mainly to Christ. Part I.
- Scripture describes the minister as a servant, not the subject of the sermon. Jesus defines greatness as service; Paul preaches “not ourselves”; Peter forbids elders to be “lords over God’s heritage.” Part II.
- When Scripture boasts, it boasts of weakness, and praise comes from others. Paul boasts only when forced, calls it folly and ends “though I be nothing.” The praise of Lois and Eunice is Paul’s, not Timothy’s. Part III.
- The remarks about other believers follow the Pharisee and Diotrephes. Paul rejoiced when rivals preached Christ; Jesus said “Forbid him not”; the erring are to be restored “in the spirit of meekness.” Part IV.
- The Lord of hosts calls himself the comforter, in the language of a mother. Mocking that language mocks Isaiah. Part V.
- “God told me” about another man’s calling cannot be tested, and Scripture says what is spoken must be tested. The Samuel comparison misreads 1 Samuel 3:19, which is the narrator speaking about what God did. Part VI.
- Denying a loss to protect an image fails the test Paul set himself for money given to the Church. Part VII.
- The historic Church treated this as the preacher’s besetting temptation, and built checks. Part VIII.
- The modern setting can remove those checks and reward display. Whether it attracts the vain at a higher rate cannot be shown from remarks, and no reliable study shows it. Part IX.
- The other side’s case is real, and the page grants what is true in it. Paul did say he was “not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles”; Jesus did call leaders “whited sepulchres”; context is lost over years; outrageous remarks are the ones remembered. Parts X and XI.
- The narrow point is narrow. It diagnoses no one and measures no rate. It gives readers a pattern to recognise and tests to apply. Part XII.
The prompt behind this page
Everything below was produced by giving the following brief to a frontier language model with web search, which assembled and checked the sources. It is published so you can run it yourself, change it, sharpen it, or reverse it and see what comes back. Three experiments are worth more than reading this page. First, reverse it: ask for the strongest case that a preacher’s confident talk about himself is a legitimate part of leadership, and see which texts it has to lean on. Second, narrow it: give it one remark you heard yourself, with as much context as you can remember, and ask only which of the scriptural tests on this page it passes or fails. Third, make it a test: paste in the transcript of a sermon you heard, and ask for every sentence in which the preacher is the subject, every sentence in which Christ is, and what each of the first kind contributes to the message.
Write a detailed, source-first, interactive article, in British
English, for a general reader who is willing to work. Quote Scripture
from the Authorised Version. Date and attribute every other
quotation: give the work, the edition or translation, and the
section. Verify every quotation against a reliable published source;
where a quotation cannot be verified, cut it, or say that it is
given at second hand. Do not invent quotes. Do not take verses out
of context.
TITLE QUESTION. Does the modern pulpit attract the vain?
THESIS TO TEST. The modern pulpit seems to attract more than its
fair share of people with an elevated sense of self-importance,
perhaps even pronounced narcissism.
SOURCE OF THE MATERIAL. The remarks below were picked up from
various modern pulpits over the years. They are not attributed to
any one preacher, and no names should be supplied or guessed. Most
are paraphrased from memory; direct quotes are marked as such.
QUESTIONS. Taken together, what do comments like these reveal
about how a preacher sees himself, his office, and the people he
serves? How do they measure against the picture of the minister
given in Scripture and the historic Church? Is there something
about the modern pulpit (celebrity, personal platforms,
founder-led churches with little outside accountability) that
attracts or rewards self-importance?
SCOPE. Examine the pattern, not the person. Do not attempt a
clinical diagnosis of narcissism from a list of remarks. The
question is whether these remarks fit the scriptural pattern of
ministry, and whether the modern setting makes such remarks more
common.
THE REMARKS.
Self-promotion and special status
1. Uniquely qualified to sing sacred songs: he recounts, with
approval, the music director telling him, "Nobody else is
worthy of singing these lines. You should sing them yourself."
2. Worldwide popularity: millions singing his songs, requests
from France, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and Japan.
3. A spiritual pedigree: "My mother was very spiritual and raised
spiritual children. Everyone used to say that we were
spiritual."
4. Credit for his own exemplary service: "My mother used to pray
for many hours a day, and my exemplary service to the Lord is
a reflection of this."
5. Exempt from ordinary struggles: "I never had to deal with
ordinary matters such as visa approvals. I did not have to
struggle like others."
6. Success where others failed: "I have been able to produce
converts in an area that has been called a graveyard for
missionaries."
7. A unique church: "Everybody tells me that our church is
unique. No one else does what we are doing."
8. The only faithful one: "I was the only one who kept church
open during Covid when others were scared for their lives.
God told me to open the church."
Contempt for others
9. Other songwriters compared to a pig producing numerous
offspring of little value.
10. Ridiculing songs about God's comfort: "You've turned the Lord
of Hosts into a nanny!"
11. Publicly retelling how he corrected a woman who had welcomed
him and proudly shown him her Christian music video; the story
ends with her saying, "Sir, you've opened my eyes!"
12. Other preachers dismissed: "I am not like this other preacher
who should not be preaching at all."
Claiming God's authority for his own judgements
13. He instructs songwriters to kneel and ask whether they are
worthy of writing Christian songs.
14. "God clearly told me that the call this guy who used to work
for me supposedly has is completely bogus."
15. He notes that the prophet Samuel's words did not fall to the
ground, hinting that his own words will be likewise.
Image over facts
16. "We have never lost a penny due to fraud," said while evidence
suggested the church may have lost a substantial sum to a scam.
(Describe the circumstances only in general terms.)
POINTS TO TEST.
1. The minister is a servant, not the subject of the sermon:
Mark 10:42-45; 2 Corinthians 4:5; 1 Peter 5:2-3. Ask how much
of each remark points to Christ and how much to the preacher.
2. Paul's boasting runs the other way: 2 Corinthians 11:23-30;
12:9-10; 1 Corinthians 1:31; 2 Corinthians 10:17-18;
1 Corinthians 3:5-7. Compare remarks 2, 5 and 6.
3. Pedigree is counted as loss: Philippians 3:4-8; but note
2 Timothy 1:5 and who does the crediting. Compare remarks 3
and 4.
4. "I thank thee that I am not as other men": Luke 18:9-14.
Test remarks 7, 8 and 12.
5. Diotrephes, "who loveth to have the preeminence" (3 John
9-10). Does the pattern match anything above?
6. Pride disqualifies overseers: 1 Timothy 3:6; Titus 1:7;
James 3:1.
7. How to treat fellow believers: Romans 14:4; Philippians
1:15-18; Mark 9:38-40; Galatians 6:1. Test remarks 9, 11, 12
and 13.
8. God's comfort is not sentimentality: Isaiah 66:13; 40:11;
Psalm 23; Matthew 23:37; 2 Corinthians 1:3. Test remark 10.
9. Attaching God's name to personal verdicts: Jeremiah 23:16,
21; Deuteronomy 18:21-22; 1 Samuel 3:19 (whose statement is
it?); 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21. Test remarks 14 and 15. Link
our dossier on personal vendetta from the pulpit.
10. Honesty when the image is at stake: Proverbs 28:13;
2 Corinthians 8:20-21. Test remark 16.
11. The historic Church saw this temptation: Gregory the Great,
Pastoral Care, Part IV; John Chrysostom, On the Priesthood, on
vainglory and applause. Historic checks: bishops or synods,
the congregation's call, ordination vows, a liturgy centred on
Word and Sacrament. Does the modern setting remove these
checks, and so attract or reward self-importance?
12. The strongest case for the other side: 2 Corinthians 11:5;
Philippians 3:2; Matthew 23:27; Acts 14:27; 15:12; humour and
hyperbole; lost context; the sampling problem; pride as a
universal temptation. Is Paul's boasting the same kind?
13. What the narrow point does and does not prove. It cannot
diagnose anyone, and cannot by itself show the pulpit attracts
the vain at a higher rate. It can make a pattern visible and
give readers scriptural tests.
OBJECTIONS. State the other side at full strength in its own Part
before answering it. Where the evidence corrects or qualifies the
brief, say so in a marked box.
NAMING. No names supplied or guessed for the remarks. No living
individual named as an example. Deceased writers quoted from dated,
published works. Any remark not from the list above is composed and
labelled as composed.
INTERACTIVES. A priors quiz. Each remark weighed by where it points.
A pronoun counter for a pasted sermon. A quiz on who does the
praising in Scripture. The remarks sorted against 3 John 9-10. A
finish-the-verse quiz on God's comfort. Claims sorted by whether
hearers can test them. A check of honest and dishonest statements
about money. An audit of the historic checks in a church the reader
knows. An objection drill the reader answers in his own words first.
A sort of claims by whether the argument proves them. A hearer's
test to take into church.
OUTPUT: a single self-contained interactive HTML page, professional
and readable, light theme by default with a dark switch, stating the
question at the top, publishing this prompt in full, repeating the
key points in prominent boxes for readers who skim, explaining every
technical term in a box where it is used, and giving the reader
something to do in every major section. Also produce a plain-English
quick version of about fifteen minutes with three short exercises,
and a Simple English version with no exercises.
The page you are reading is the output of that brief after the sources were checked. The brief quoted some verses from modern versions; the page gives them from the Authorised Version, as it does everywhere on this site. Seven things qualified the brief, and each is marked where it arises.
1. The Authorised Version’s word in Titus 1:7 is “selfwilled.” The brief has “not arrogant,” which is how most modern versions render it. The Greek authadēs means self-pleasing, headstrong, arrogant. The sense is the same; the page quotes the AV and explains the word. Part VIII.
2. Gregory’s warning is Part IV of the Pastoral Rule, and it is short. It is a single closing chapter, titled in the standard English translation “How the preacher, when he has accomplished all aright, should return to himself, lest either his life or his preaching lift him up.” The page quotes its key sentence. Part VIII.
3. Chrysostom treats the love of praise as every preacher’s temptation, not a mark of a special type. “I know not whether any man ever succeeded in the effort not to be pleased when he is praised.” That strengthens the case that the pulpit tempts, and weakens any claim that it selects. Parts VIII and IX.
4. No reliable study shows that clergy are more narcissistic than other people. A widely shared figure claiming that nearly a third of pastors in one sample met the criteria for the clinical disorder came from a book that its publisher later withdrew, after the authors of the scale used said it measured everyday traits, not a disorder. The thesis’s claim about rates cannot be settled from remarks, and the page does not pretend otherwise. Parts IX and XII.
5. The Samuel point is stronger than the brief puts it. 1 Samuel 3:19 says that the LORD “did let none of his words fall to the ground.” The subject of the verb is God, and the speaker is the narrator. Deuteronomy 18:22 then turns the same image into a public test that any hearer may apply. Part VI.
6. Paul’s strongest boast ends with a disclaimer. The brief cites 2 Corinthians 11:5. Paul repeats the boast in 12:11 and finishes it: “in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.” In the same verse he says, “I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me.” Part XI.
7. Remark 16 is described in general terms. The page does not repeat the size of any loss or say that one occurred. It treats the remark as an example of a pattern: a public denial made when the question was open. Part VII.
What do you currently think?
Ten questions. Each has a determinate answer, and you can check every one yourself in Part XIV. Answer them before reading and lock them in. They come back in Part XIII with the sources beside them.
What follows
Sixteen remarks
Here is the evidence, as the author recorded it. He grouped the remarks under four headings, and the page keeps his grouping. Read them slowly. Then weigh each one on its own, before the page says anything about it.
Weigh them one at a time
For each remark, ask one question: who is the subject? Does it point mainly to Christ, mainly to the speaker, or is it genuinely mixed? Choose, and the page gives its own reading and the scriptural test it applies later. There is no score. A tally builds at the bottom.
On the page’s reading, fourteen of the sixteen remarks make the speaker the subject, two are mixed, and none points mainly to Christ. One remark proves nothing. Sixteen that run the same way are a pattern, and a pattern is what Scripture gives us the tools to test.
Servant, not subject
The disciples argued about rank more than once. James and John asked to sit at Jesus’ right and left hand in his glory (Mark 10:37). At the Last Supper “there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest” (Luke 22:24). Each time Jesus answered by contrasting two kinds of authority.
Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: and whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mark 10:42–45. In Luke’s account of the Supper: “he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve” (Luke 22:26).
The apostles took the lesson into how they described their own work. Paul’s summary of his preaching has three parts, and only one of them is about himself: “we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake” (2 Corinthians 4:5). John the Baptist, the greatest of the prophets by Jesus’ own estimate (Matthew 11:11), said of Christ, “He must increase, but I must decrease” (John 3:30). Peter, writing as “also an elder,” told the elders of the churches how to hold their office.
Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
1 Peter 5:2–3. Two verses later: “Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble” (5:5).
When people tried to make the apostles the subject, the apostles refused. Peter raised Cornelius from his knees: “Stand up; I myself also am a man” (Acts 10:26). At Lystra, when the crowd wanted to sacrifice to them, Paul and Barnabas tore their clothes and ran in among the people: “Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you” (Acts 14:14–15). Luke records the opposite case too. When the crowd shouted that Herod’s speech was “the voice of a god, and not of a man,” Herod accepted it, and Luke says he was struck down “because he gave not God the glory” (Acts 12:22–23).
This does not mean a preacher may never speak of himself. Paul tells his own story several times (Acts 22; 26; Galatians 1–2). But in every case the story is about what was done to him: he persecuted the Church, and Christ met him. The question Part I asked of each remark is the question these texts ask of every sermon: who is the subject?
Try it: count the pronouns
One rough way to see who a passage is about is to count. Paste in any passage from a sermon, a newsletter or a church website, or use one of the samples. The counter tallies words that refer to the speaker, words that name God or Christ, and words for the group. The count is a prompt, not a verdict. Try the third sample to see why.
Jesus defines greatness as service and sets his own self-giving as the pattern. Paul preaches “not ourselves.” Peter forbids elders to be lords. When people tried to make the apostles the subject, they refused. Picture S is not a style. It is the shape of the office.
Which way the boasting runs
Paul is the one apostle who boasts at length, and he tells us why. False teachers at Corinth had been commending themselves, and the church had been impressed. To win the Corinthians back, Paul agrees, very reluctantly, to play the fool and boast too. He says plainly what kind of speech it is: “That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting” (2 Corinthians 11:17). And then he boasts of the wrong things.
In labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; in journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers … in weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst … If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
2 Corinthians 11:23–27, 30. The climax of the boast (11:32–33) is that he escaped from Damascus by being let down the city wall in a basket.
He finishes with a revelation he will not describe, and a thorn in the flesh that God would not remove. “My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me … for when I am weak, then am I strong” (12:9–10).
Set remarks 2, 5 and 6 beside this. Remark 5 boasts of exemption: “I did not have to struggle like others.” Paul boasts of struggle. Remark 6 boasts of converts where others failed. Paul had planted the church at Corinth, if anyone had, and he wrote this to it:
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1 Corinthians 3:5–7. And Jesus, to disciples about to reap a Samaritan harvest: “other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours” (John 4:38).
That last verse bears directly on remark 6. If a region was called a graveyard for missionaries, it was because missionaries died there. On John 4:38, whoever reaps later reaps in part what they sowed. The graves are not a contrast to the harvest. They are part of it.
Remark 2 is different, and the page reads it as mixed. Songs sung in many countries are a real gift, and Paul and Barnabas did report to the churches “all that God had done with them” (Acts 14:27; 15:12). But notice the subject of Luke’s sentence: God had done it, and had “opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.” The remark, as remembered, has a different subject: his songs, his reach, his requests. Paul’s rule is short: “He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth” (2 Corinthians 10:17–18; 1 Corinthians 1:31).
Remark 1 is the one that gives this page its title. Even if the music director’s line was meant as a joke, the preacher chose to repeat it, from the pulpit, approvingly. In the worship Scripture describes, the question “Who is worthy?” is asked once, in heaven, and only one is found worthy: “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain” (Revelation 5:2, 12). On earth, the centurion whose faith Jesus praised above all Israel said, “I am not worthy” (Luke 7:6). And Paul asks every gifted person a question that leaves nothing to boast of: “what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?” (1 Corinthians 4:7).
Pedigree, and who does the crediting
Remarks 3 and 4 are about upbringing. Here the page wants to be careful, because Scripture honours a godly upbringing, and a man who credits his mother’s prayers is keeping the fifth commandment. Paul himself had the best pedigree a Jew could have, and listed it, in order to say what it was worth.
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee … But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord.
Philippians 3:5, 7–8.
Paul also praises a godly upbringing: “the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also” (2 Timothy 1:5). The difference the author pointed to is who is speaking. Paul says it about Timothy. Timothy does not say it about himself. Remark 3 says it about the speaker’s own family, adds that “everyone used to say that we were spiritual,” and so reports others’ praise of himself. Remark 4 draws the conclusion out loud: my exemplary service. Proverbs had already drawn the line: “Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips” (27:2). Jesus gave the servant’s own words for a life of faithful service: “We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do” (Luke 17:10).
Try it: who is doing the praising?
Eight texts. For each, is the person speaking of himself, or is someone else speaking of him?
Paul boasts only under protest, calls it folly, and boasts of weakness; he counts pedigree loss and says God gives the increase. In Scripture, praise of a person’s upbringing, piety or authority is spoken by someone else. When a person speaks of himself, it is to confess, to count it loss, or, in the Pharisee’s case, to be rebuked.
“Not as other men are”
Jesus told a parable “unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others” (Luke 18:9). The two halves of that description belong together. The Pharisee’s prayer is not mainly a list of his virtues; it is a comparison. He establishes his standing by measuring himself against “extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.” Jesus’ verdict reversed the ranking: “this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased” (18:14).
Remarks 7, 8 and 12 have the Pharisee’s grammar. No one else does what we are doing. I was the only one who kept church open when others were scared. I am not like this other preacher. In each, the speaker’s place is fixed by someone else’s lower place. Remark 8 is worth separating into its parts. Whether to open a church during an epidemic was a hard decision, and Christians made it in good faith both ways; this page takes no view of it. What the remark adds to the decision is the comparison (“the only one”), the motive assigned to others (“scared for their lives”), and the claim of divine instruction for oneself. Paul had a word for this way of measuring: “they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise” (2 Corinthians 10:12).
How Scripture tells ministers to treat other believers
Remarks 9, 11, 12 and 13 are about other Christians: songwriters, a woman who made a music video, another preacher, a former employee. The New Testament has a good deal to say about how a minister speaks of fellow servants of Christ, and it is consistent.
Measured against these, remark 9 is hard to defend. Comparing other people’s songs to a pig’s litter elevates the speaker’s output by degrading theirs, and Philippians 2:3 asks the reverse. Remark 11 is subtler, and the page reads it with care. Correcting a believer about money spent on display, or about imitating a film star, may well have been right. The question is what the retelling does. The woman had welcomed him into her home; the correction, if it was needed, belonged “between thee and him alone.” Told from the pulpit, the story has one hero, and it ends with her line in his praise: “Sir, you’ve opened my eyes!” Remark 12 says of another preacher not that he teaches error, which could be tested, but that he “should not be preaching at all,” a verdict on another man’s servant.
Remark 13 is the one the page reads as mixed. Asking songwriters to kneel and ask whether they are worthy is not wrong in itself: “Examine yourselves” (2 Corinthians 13:5) is apostolic counsel, and a hymn-writer could do worse than ask it. What changes its sense is remark 1. The question of worthiness is put to everyone else, and answered in advance for the speaker.
A portrait already drawn
The New Testament contains one short, named portrait of a church leader with this pattern. It is three sentences long.
I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
3 John 9–10. “Loveth to have the preeminence” is one Greek word, philoprōteuōn: loving to be first.
John names four things: Diotrephes loves the first place; he talks against others; he will not receive those he did not choose; and he puts out those who would. Dossier 06 examines Diotrephes in the setting of church discipline. Here the question is narrower: do any of the remarks resemble any of John’s four marks?
Try it: the Diotrephes test
Ten remarks or behaviours from Part I. For each, which of John’s marks does it most resemble, if any? The page’s readings are offered, not imposed. Several remarks fit more than one mark.
0 of 10 sorted
The remarks about other believers follow the Pharisee, who fixed his own place by others’ lower place, and resemble Diotrephes, who loved the first place and spoke against those he did not receive. The New Testament asks a minister to rejoice when rivals preach Christ, to let those who do not follow him alone, to restore the erring gently and privately, and to count others better than himself.
The God of all comfort
Remark 10 was aimed at songs about God’s comfort: “You’ve turned the Lord of Hosts into a nanny!” The concern behind it may be fair. Some worship songs are thin, and a faith that knows only a soothing God has lost his holiness. But the remark does not criticise thin songs. It sets two things against each other: the Lord of hosts, and comfort. Scripture does not.
Isaiah 40 begins “Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.” Ten verses later the same chapter says, “Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him,” and in the very next verse, “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young” (40:10–11). The arm that rules is the arm that carries the lambs. Isaiah 51 puts the two titles in one speech: “I, even I, am he that comforteth you … The LORD of hosts is his name” (51:12, 15). And Isaiah 66, the last chapter of a book about the holiness of God, reaches for the image of a mother: “As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you” (66:13).
Jesus did the same. In Matthew 23, the chapter of “whited sepulchres” that the other side rightly cites in Part X, the denunciation ends in a lament: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem … how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!” (23:37). The severest words in the Gospels and one of the tenderest images are spoken by the same mouth in the same breath. Paul opens his most painful letter by blessing “the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; who comforteth us in all our tribulation” (2 Corinthians 1:3–4).
Try it: finish the verse
Seven verses about God’s comfort, each with a word missing. Choose the word.
Scripture never sets God’s power against his tenderness. The Lord of hosts names himself the comforter, and uses the language of a mother, a shepherd carrying lambs, and a hen with her chicks. A song may be weak; that language is not. Mocking it mocks Isaiah.
“God told me”
Remark 14 is the most serious of the sixteen. “God clearly told me that the call this guy who used to work for me supposedly has is completely bogus.” Three things meet in that sentence. It is a verdict on a named relationship (a former employee), so the congregation may well know who is meant. It concerns his calling, which is a matter between that man and God (Romans 14:4). And it is presented not as the preacher’s opinion, which could be weighed, but as God’s, which cannot be questioned without questioning God.
Jeremiah describes the prophets of his day in words worth reading slowly: “Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD … I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied” (23:16, 21). Deuteronomy gives the people a test: “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him” (18:22). The New Testament keeps the duty of testing with the hearers: “Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:20–21); “believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1).
But not every one that speaks in the Spirit is a prophet; but only if he hold the ways of the Lord. Therefore from their ways shall the false prophet and the prophet be known.
The Didache (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles), 11, late first or early second century; trans. in Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 7.
A verdict that another man’s calling is “bogus” fails every one of these tests, not because it is necessarily false, but because nobody can test it. There is no event that would show it wrong, no Scripture it can be checked against, no “ways” of the other man in view. It asks the hearers to accept it on the speaker’s authority alone. Dossier 37, The Pulpit Is Not a Weapon, examines this move at length: the conversion of a private judgement about a particular person into the voice of God. Dossier 03 examines modern prophecy more broadly.
Samuel’s words, and whose they were
Remark 15 notes that Samuel’s words did not fall to the ground, and hints that the speaker’s words will not either. Here is the verse.
And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground.
1 Samuel 3:19. The next verse: “And all Israel from Dan even to Beersheba knew that Samuel was established to be a prophet of the LORD.”
Three things about it matter. First, it is the narrator speaking, looking back on Samuel’s life. Samuel never says it of himself. Second, the subject of the verb is God: “the LORD … did let none of his words fall.” It is a statement about what God did, not about Samuel’s gift. Third, it was known by its results: “all Israel … knew.” That is Deuteronomy 18:22 in reverse. A man who invites comparison with Samuel has invited the Deuteronomy test, and the test is public. It is applied by the hearers, to events, over time. Applied to remark 16, for example, it would ask simply whether what was said turned out to be so.
Try it: who can test this?
Eight claims of the kind made from pulpits. For each, who can test it, and how?
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Scripture puts the duty of testing what is spoken on the hearers, and gives them tests: Scripture, events, and the speaker’s ways. “God told me” about another man’s calling cannot be tested by any of them. The Samuel verse is the narrator’s statement about what God did, known by its results, and it brings the public test with it.
When the image is at stake
Remark 16 is of a different kind. “We have never lost a penny due to fraud.” As the author recorded it, the remark was made at a time when there was mounting evidence that the church might have been the victim of a scam. The page describes those circumstances only in general terms and makes no claim about what happened. Its interest is in the shape of the statement: a categorical public denial, about donated money, while the question was open.
Being defrauded is not a sin. Churches and charities are scammed every year, often by sophisticated people. The question is what the minister does with the fact, and Scripture is clear that concealment, not loss, is the problem. Proverbs 28:13 sets covering against confessing. Paul, collecting money from the Gentile churches for the poor in Jerusalem, arranged for the gift to be carried by men the churches chose, and explained why:
Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us: providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
2 Corinthians 8:20–21. Paul did not ask to be trusted. He arranged things so that he would not have to be.
A denial made to protect a ministry’s reputation protects the wrong thing. The money was given to God through the church, and the givers are owed an account (Dossier 08 develops the giver’s side; Dossier 43 the board’s). And Scripture warns that when God’s people cover wrong, it is God’s name that suffers: “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you” (Romans 2:24). The image the denial protects is the preacher’s. The name it endangers is Christ’s.
Try it: which answer fits 2 Corinthians 8?
Three situations, each with three composed answers. Which one fits the pattern Paul set?
Losing money to fraud is a misfortune; denying it is a choice. Paul arranged the handling of gifts so that it was honest “in the sight of men,” and Proverbs promises mercy to the one who confesses. When a ministry’s image and the facts diverge, Picture S discloses. Picture P defends the image.
What the old Church knew
The New Testament does not treat pride in a minister as a personality quirk. Among the qualifications for an overseer, Paul lists that he must not be a recent convert, “lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil” (1 Timothy 3:6). To Titus he writes that a bishop must be “blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled” (Titus 1:7). James warns, “be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation” (James 3:1).
The early and medieval Church took these warnings to heart, and its writers on the pastoral office returned again and again to the same danger: that the man who speaks for God will come to love the sound of his own voice and the approval of his hearers. They did not treat it as a rare vice of bad men. They treated it as the preacher’s besetting temptation.
For I know not whether any man ever succeeded in the effort not to be pleased when he is praised.
John Chrysostom, On the Priesthood, Book V, ch. 4, written in the 380s; trans. W. R. W. Stephens, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 1st series, vol. 9. Chrysostom was one of the greatest preachers of the ancient Church, and he is speaking of himself as much as anyone.
Chrysostom’s remedy was not to avoid preaching well but to be indifferent to the result. The preacher, he says, must labour to make his sermons good, and then “it is especially necessary to be trained to be indifferent to all kinds of praise” (Book V, ch. 8). Two centuries later Gregory the Great wrote the book that taught the medieval Church how to be a pastor. Its last part is a single short chapter on what the preacher must do after he has preached well.
But since often, when preaching is abundantly poured forth in fitting ways, the mind of the speaker is elevated in itself by a hidden delight in self-display, great care is needed that he may gnaw himself with the laceration of fear, lest he who recalls the diseases of others to health by remedies should himself swell through neglect of his own health; lest in helping others he desert himself, lest in lifting up others he fall.
Gregory the Great, Pastoral Rule (Regula Pastoralis, 590), Part IV, “How the preacher, when he has accomplished all aright, should return to himself, lest either his life or his preaching lift him up”; trans. James Barmby, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2nd series, vol. 12.
Augustine, preaching on an anniversary of his own ordination, found the remedy in remembering what he shared with his hearers. The Second Vatican Council quoted the passage in its constitution on the Church.
What I am for you terrifies me; what I am with you consoles me. For you I am a bishop; but with you I am a Christian. The former is a duty; the latter a grace. The former is a danger; the latter, salvation.
Augustine, Sermon 340.1, quoted in Lumen Gentium (1964), §32, Vatican English translation.
The Reformation did not change the diagnosis. Richard Baxter, the Puritan pastor of Kidderminster, wrote a long confession of the sins of ministers in 1656, and pride came first: “One of our most heinous and palpable sins is pride.” He described preachers who prepare by asking how to be thought learned, and who “envy the talents and names of their brethren who are preferred before them” (The Reformed Pastor, 1656). The remarks in Part IV would not have surprised him.
The checks
The historic Church did not rely on warnings alone. It surrounded the preacher with structures that, whatever else they did, kept the office larger than the man. None of them prevented vain clergy, and Chrysostom, Gregory and Baxter would be the first to say so. What they did was restrain the vanity, keep it from defining the ministry, and give the people somewhere to go.
Notice what these checks have in common. Each one locates authority somewhere other than in the man himself: in those who sent him, in the faith he vowed to teach, in the order he serves within. That is Picture S built into an institution.
Scripture treats pride as a disqualifying fault in an overseer. The great pastors of the historic Church treated the love of praise as every preacher’s temptation, themselves included, and the Church built checks that kept the office larger than the man: outside oversight, a call from others, public vows, a confession above the preacher, and a liturgy not about him.
Does the modern pulpit attract it?
The thesis makes two claims that need to be kept apart. One is that the modern pulpit rewards self-importance. The other is that it attracts it: that the vain are drawn to it at a higher rate than to other callings. The first can be argued from how the setting works. The second is a claim about rates, and needs data that do not exist in reliable form.
What the setting rewards
The page offers the following as a structural argument, not a finding about any church. Many modern churches still have every check in Part VIII, and many founder-led churches are led by humble men. But consider what happens in a setting where the checks are absent.
None of these makes anyone vain. Each of them removes a brake on vanity that the historic Church installed, and some of them actively pay for it. That is a reasonable answer to half of the third question: the modern setting, where it lacks the old checks, rewards self-importance and removes the means of restraining it.
What the setting attracts
The other half is harder. It is plausible that a role in which a man speaks, unopposed, to an admiring crowd every week, and may build an institution around himself, appeals more to the self-important than a role in which he answers to a bishop and reads the appointed lessons. But plausible is not shown. Three cautions apply.
- The historic Church had vain preachers too. Chrysostom, Gregory and Baxter were not warning about an imaginary danger. The checks restrained vanity; they did not abolish it.
- The data are thin. Studies of narcissistic traits among clergy are few, small and hard to compare with other professions. A widely shared figure, that nearly a third of pastors in one sample met the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder, came from a book whose publisher later took it out of print after the authors of the measuring scale said it was designed to measure everyday traits, not a clinical disorder.
- Remarks are not a sample. The sixteen remarks were remembered because they were striking. Part X takes this up.
Try it: the checks audit
Think of a church you know well, perhaps your own. Tick each check it has. The page shows which kinds of remark each missing check would have restrained. Nothing you tick is stored or sent anywhere.
Where the historic checks are absent, the modern pulpit rewards self-display and removes the means of restraining it: growth rewards personality, the founder owns the platform, no one outside can say no, dissent leaves, and “God told me” has no court of appeal. Whether the pulpit also attracts the vain at a higher rate is plausible but unproven, and the page does not claim it.
The case for the other side
The other side deserves to be heard in its own terms and at its strongest. Here is its case, as a fair-minded defender of these preachers, or of preachers generally, might make it, before any reply.
Much of this is right, and the page grants four points outright. Paul did boast. Jesus and Paul did use sharp words. Reporting what God has done is biblical. And the sampling problem is real: the page cannot measure how common the pattern is, and has said so from the start.
Paul boasted. Jesus and Paul used sharp language. Reporting God’s work is biblical. Context is lost over years. Striking remarks are the ones remembered, and pride tempts everyone. The question is whether these show that the sixteen remarks fit the scriptural pattern, or only that they resemble it on the surface.
Is Paul’s boasting the same kind?
The author asked the reader to weigh one question in particular: is Paul’s boasting the same kind of boasting? It is worth taking slowly, because it is the strongest card the other side holds.
Paul’s boasting
- Compelled. “Ye have compelled me” (12:11). He boasts because false teachers were leading the church astray by their boasting.
- Labelled. He calls it folly again and again (11:1, 16–17, 21, 23; 12:11), and says it is “not after the Lord.”
- Inverted. He boasts of beatings, shipwreck, hunger, a basket down a wall, a thorn God would not remove.
- Undercut. “Though I be nothing.” “By the grace of God I am what I am … yet not I” (1 Corinthians 15:10).
- For their sake. “We do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying” (12:19).
The remarks
- Volunteered. No one, as far as the author knew, had challenged these preachers’ standing. The remarks were offered unprompted.
- Unlabelled. They are told as straightforward truth, sometimes as divine truth.
- Upright. They boast of worthiness, reach, pedigree, exemption, success, uniqueness and courage.
- Uncorrected. None, as remembered, ends with Paul’s disclaimer, or credits God as the subject.
- About him. What the congregation learns from them is chiefly how to regard the speaker.
The other points can be answered more briefly. Sharp language: Jesus’ woes were aimed at those who “shut up the kingdom of heaven against men” and “bind heavy burdens” on others (Matthew 23:4, 13). Paul’s “dogs” were teachers imposing circumcision on Gentile believers. In both cases the targets were powerful men harming others by false teaching. The remarks aim at other songwriters, a woman with a music video, another preacher and a former employee, none of whom is said to have taught anything false. And the chapter of “whited sepulchres” ends with a hen gathering her chicks. Reporting God’s work: in Acts the subject of the sentence is God, “all that God had done.” That is the very test Part I applied. Humour: granted, and a joke can be forgiven. But a joke told repeatedly, always in the speaker’s favour, is still evidence of what he finds worth saying. Context and sampling: granted, and this is why the page tests a pattern, not a person, and claims no rate. Pride is universal: granted, and Scripture agrees. That is precisely why it sets a higher standard for those who teach (James 3:1), and why the historic Church built checks.
The same remark, two ways. “People tell me our church is unique; nobody else does what we do.” Or: “I’m often humbled that God has let this small church do some things that I don’t see many others doing. I don’t know why he chose us. Pray that we would be faithful with it, and that we would learn from the many churches that do other things far better than we do.” Both report the same facts. Only one makes God the subject.
Answer it before you read the answer
Write your own answer first, using what you have read so far. Then compare it with the page’s. Nothing you type is stored or sent anywhere.
The objection (composed, in the words of a loyal church member): “You have collected a handful of lines, years old, stripped of their context, from men you clearly don’t like. Paul boasted that he was not behind the super-apostles. Jesus called the Pharisees whited sepulchres. Every strong preacher says sharp things and tells stories from his own life. And God has used these men. The converts are real; the songs are sung all over the world. Who are you to judge another man’s servant?”
- Lost context is granted. That is why the page tests a pattern, not a person, names no one, and asks you to apply the tests to remarks you heard yourself, in full.
- Paul’s boast was compelled, labelled folly, and about weakness. And it ends, “though I be nothing” (2 Corinthians 12:11). The objection quotes the first half of the boast without the second.
- Jesus’ sharp words were aimed at the powerful, for harming others. The remarks aim at fellow believers with less power than the speaker, who are not said to have taught anything false.
- The fruit is real, and the page does not deny it. Paul says whose it is: “neither is he that planteth any thing … but God that giveth the increase” (1 Corinthians 3:7). And Paul rejoiced when rivals preached Christ (Philippians 1:18), which is the courtesy the remarks deny to others.
- “Who are you to judge another man’s servant?” is the right question, and the remarks fail it. Romans 14:4 is the verse remarks 12 and 14 break. Testing what is said is not judging a servant’s standing before God; it is a duty Scripture gives to every hearer (1 Thessalonians 5:21; 1 John 4:1).
- Stories from one’s own life are fine. The test is who the hero is. Paul’s stories about himself are about what Christ did to a persecutor.
What the narrow point proves
The author asked that the page be exact about what the argument does and does not prove. It is easy to claim too much for a list of remarks, and easy to dismiss it too quickly.
What it does not show
- That any preacher who made these remarks is a narcissist, in the everyday or the clinical sense.
- That any preacher’s faith or ministry is false, or what his standing before God is.
- That the pulpit attracts vain people at a higher rate than other callings.
- That churches without bishops are led by vain men, or churches with them are not.
What it does show
- That the remarks, taken together, make the preacher the subject, which Scripture’s picture of the minister does not.
- That their boasting, their contempt and their claims of divine verdict run against specific texts, which a reader can check.
- That the historic Church saw this temptation and built checks against it.
- That where those checks are absent, the setting rewards such remarks and removes the means of restraining them.
Try it: does the argument prove this?
Eight claims. Does the argument of this page establish each one, or not?
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A test to take into church
The author asked that readers be given scriptural tests to apply to what they hear. Here are seven. Think of a remark you heard from a pulpit recently, about the preacher, his church or other people, and answer each question about it. There is no score to share; the page records nothing.
Your verdict
The author asked that readers decide for themselves whether the pattern is common in their own experience, and what the Church should do about it. Two questions. Nothing is recorded.
A list of remarks diagnoses no one and measures no rate. What it does is make a pattern visible, and Scripture supplies the tests: who is the subject, who gives the praise, how are other believers spoken of, can the claim be tested, and is the truth told when the image is at stake.
Your answers, revisited
Here are the ten questions you answered before reading, with what the sources say. If you skipped them, go back to the quiz, lock in your answers, and return.
Answer the questions at the top of the page and lock them in; your results appear here.
Check it yourself
Sixteen items. Nearly everything here is free and online. If you read only three, read the first three. If you do only one thing, do the last.
- 1. 2 Corinthians 10–13. Read this first. Thirty minutes. Mark every place Paul says he is speaking as a fool, and list what he actually boasts of.
- 2. Mark 10:35–45; Luke 22:24–27; John 13:1–17. Read this first. Fifteen minutes. Three answers Jesus gave to the question of who is greatest.
- 3. Luke 18:9–14 and 3 John. Read this first. Ten minutes. Write down the four things John says about Diotrephes, and the one thing Jesus says about the Pharisee.
- 4. The pastoral letters on the overseer: 1 Timothy 3:1–7; Titus 1:5–9; 1 Peter 5:1–5; James 3:1–2. How many qualifications concern gifts, and how many concern character?
- 5. On treating other believers: Romans 14:1–13; Philippians 1:12–18; 2:1–11; Mark 9:38–41; Galatians 6:1–5; Matthew 18:15–17.
- 6. On God’s comfort: Isaiah 40:1–11; 49:13–16; 51:12–16; 66:10–13; Hosea 11:1–4; Psalm 23; Matthew 23:37; 2 Corinthians 1:3–7.
- 7. On testing what is spoken in God’s name: Deuteronomy 18:15–22; Jeremiah 23:16–32; 1 Samuel 3:19–21; 1 Thessalonians 5:19–22; 1 John 4:1–6.
- 8. On money and honesty: Proverbs 28:13; 2 Corinthians 8:16–24; Romans 2:21–24; Acts 5:1–11.
- 9. John Chrysostom, On the Priesthood, Books III and V; trans. W. R. W. Stephens, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 1st series, vol. 9. Free at New Advent and CCEL. Book V is short and is about preaching and praise.
- 10. Gregory the Great, Pastoral Rule (590), especially Part I chs. 1–9 and Part IV; trans. James Barmby, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2nd series, vol. 12. Free online.
- 11. Augustine, Sermon 340, on the anniversary of his ordination, and its use in Lumen Gentium §32 (1964), free at vatican.va.
- 12. Richard Baxter, The Reformed Pastor (1656), the confession of ministers’ sins, beginning with pride. Free online in several editions.
- 13. The Didache, chs. 11–13, on testing travelling prophets and teachers. Free at New Advent.
- 14. The 1662 Ordinal, “The Form and Manner of Ordering of Priests,” bound with the Book of Common Prayer. Read the questions put to the candidate.
- 15. Earlier dossiers: 35 (humility announced), 37 (personal verdicts from the pulpit), 03 (prophecy), 06 (Diotrephes and coercion), 08 (the giver’s responsibility), 43 (boards), 40 (succession), 50 (the self as subject).
- 16. One sermon. Do this one. Take the next sermon you hear, or a recording of one. Write down every sentence in which the preacher is the subject. For each, ask the seven questions in Part XII. Then do the same for one of your own conversations about church.
The sixteen remarks on this page were noted by the author from various pulpits over many years and are attributed to no person or congregation. No living individual is named on this page as an example of anything. Every individual quoted is deceased, or biblical, and is quoted from a dated, published source, except where a council document quotes one. Every other remark attributed to a teacher or a listener is composed by this page for illustration and does not describe any real person. This page makes no clinical claim about anyone and gives no pastoral advice.
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